The Firearms MagEzine

A publication of

CenterFire Central

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The Firearms MagEzine is no longer published

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VOL. 2 ISSUE 2                                                        February 1999

Circulation 1150

 

IN THIS ISSUE

 

THE EDITOR'S NOTES

Live and Learn

 

WHAT'S NEW AT CENTERFIRE CENTRAL

Changes to Pet Loads

 

FEATURE ARTICLE

Live and Learn

By Bill Wade

 

PRODUCT REVIEWS

Savage 110  Tactical in 308

By Ron Roberts

 

Hoppe's Gunsmith's Benchvise

By Bill Wade

 

RESOURCES

Other resources for related information

 

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A WORD OF CAUTION

 

CenterFire Central and contributing writers are not responsible for mishaps of any kind which may occur from use or misuse of data or information published, electronically or otherwise by CenterFire Central. Activities involving firearms, ammunition, components and equipment require strict safety precautions and training which are not detailed herein.

 

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EDITOR'S NOTES

The Young Ones

 

Motivating today's young people is kind of like pushing a cat into a bucket of water. All of the sudden they have 4 wheel independent brakes.

 

Tried that once. Leroy needed a bath and it seemed logical (I was a teenager). He actually liked water after that, but convincing him that he would learn to enjoy it took a little effort.

 

My son Tony is a lot like Leroy. He is getting close to 15 years old and I have harped until I am hoarse, that he should be looking for a part time job. I have bent several crow bars trying to pry him up off his duff. He did not see the need.

 

Anyway, my brother and I finally found a nice piece of hunting ground and made the purchase. It will open new opportunities for dove, turkey and maybe even quail. Now Tony wishes he had been listening. He wants a new 12 gauge and even found a couple at a show Saturday that he could have gotten a deal on. NO MONEY !

 

When we returned home from the show, he called a business where he had applied a few weeks back. He got the job. He called my brother, his mother, wrote to his grandparents. Thought he was going to call NBC.

 

He has already passed the Hunter Education course, killed deer and fired a zillion rimfire rounds at the range. Now, the ball is in his court, but I think it is safe to say that he is hooked. Now he realizes that to press on with this interest, he will have to work for it.

 

A student in the class "The Basics of Reloading" has mentioned that his young son has been making the trek to the range with him and shows interest in reloading as well. Wonderful, that is what it takes.

 

We have all heard it said the today's young are the future of our sport and while this is true, for the time, the keys are in our hands. It is up to us to see that the keys are passed along properly.

 

Motivation comes from mysterious sources but it is there and if we can do our part,

our grandchildren should have the same opportunities that we have enjoyed.

 

Bill Wade

 

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                        WHAT'S NEW AT CENTERFIRE CENTRAL

                                    Handgun Data - Section

 

It was bound to happen and it has. A new section has been created specifically for

Handgun data.

 

Designed to operate like the original Pet Load system, the Handgun Data section is easy to get around and easy to plug in your favorites.

 

It has already seen quite a bit of activity and I am certain that it will become as popular as the Pet Loads and Wildcat sections.

 

I more or less, re-named the Pet Load section and it is now called Rifle Data.

 

There is now a single front door for all data entered by site visitors. Once inside the front door you can choose from; "Handgun Data", "Rifle Data" and "Wildcat/Improved Data".

 

Another thrill last week, I decided to switch servers. The ISP I had been using to host CerterFire Central was no longer "cutting the mustard". Don't know what happened and I guess it really is not important, but service went from great to poor over about a 3 week period.

 

Time consuming and frustrating, the switch was finally completed on Friday the 29th. Hopefully, the pages will load faster and I have been guaranteed better service. Time will tell.

 

Thanks again for all your input and patience.

 

Bill Wade

 

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                                   THIS MONTH'S FEATURE ARTICLE

Live and Learn

 

 

Live and Learn - a phrase we have all heard but one that I always have to adjust a little: "Live and Learn - The Hard Way." And that could read, "Live and Learn, the Expensive Way."

 

I had been fighting with a .223 NEF for quite some time and could not seem to pinpoint the problem.

 

Assuming it to be the loads I assembled for it, I was trying everything. Switched powders, primers, cases, case length, seating depth, the works.

 

Nothing seemed to really help and I finally decided it had to be the gun. My patience was at an end and I decided to sell it. It was eating up a lot of time and components.

 

I removed the 4x12x40 Bushnell scope from the .223 and replaced it with a fixed power scope.

 

Still working with my new 220 Swift, I immediately put the 4x12 on it.

 

Guess what? My groups went south on the 220. I could not seem to focus the scope and figured it was a dirty contact lens. Ron, (see Product Review), was at the range with me so I asked him to have a go at it. He could not see through it either.

 

I had noticed that this particular scope did not seem as clear as my other 4x12 but assumed it was not focused perfectly and that I would get it right when I really took the time to adjust it. I was now taking the time and it was not working.

 

We checked the lenses for dirt, fuzz or other obstruction and could find nothing.

 

Once back at the loading bench, I removed the scope. Holding it in a vertical position under the florescent shop light, I peered into the objective lens. On the underside of the lens, close to the center, was an imperfection of some sort, about the size of a large rifle primer. It was a squiggly circular blemish that had probably been there since birth.

 

I looked at the eye sore 223 hanging in the rack and stuck with my decision to sell it knowing I may have just discovered the problem. I was beyond the point of caring and just wanted rid of it. Even if the scope was the problem, I was not get the expected velocity from the rifle and it behaved as though I needed to reduce the charge.

 

The scope had been purchased at Wal-Mart and I could take care of it "right now," so I headed for Wally World. They had them in stock and I planned to exchange even up.

 

You can be certain I was going to check the lenses. Under those lighting conditions though it was not possible. Next best would be a side by side comparison to another brand. I had the clerk hand me a Simmons 3x9x40.

 

It seemed clearer and noticeably less expensive. I am a sucker for cash so I opted for the cash and the Simmons.

 

Guess what? My groups tightened back up.

 

After the 223 was history, I was visiting with Jim Garrison at H & R 1871 and mentioned that I had sold my NEF after a long battle I felt I had lost. He informed me that I should have returned the gun to H & R and they would have taken care of it.

 

Had I sent the rifle in, I would have removed the scope and he probably would not have found the accuracy problem with the rifle. He assured me that out of the box accuracy on that rifle should be fantastic and anything less should be returned to them.

 

We did not discuss the velocity issue but I am confident that he still would have been interested in my concerns. I would suggest that if you have one of these rifles and are having problems with it, send it back with a note describing the problem.

 

I guess in my mind, it was one of those gray areas. I purchased the rifle from a dealer who had "fired it a few times" but I basically paid new price. Later I found the dealer had messed with the rifle and I figured that the warranty was void. That too, was a bad call on my part. H & R would have worked with me had they found the problem to be a direct result of the dealers tampering.

 

With all the scopes I own and have owned, I guess I was bound to run across a defect sooner or later. I am certain Bushnell would have taken care of me as well, but the cash back from trading down made the inevitable loss on the 223 hurt a little less.

 

Living and learning, the hard, expensive way ! Then again, no one ever said education was easy or cheap.

 

Bill Wade

 

 

 

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                                          PRODUCT REVIEW

                             Savage 110  Tactical in 308

 

 

Introduction from the Editor; I made Ron's acquaintance through the Internet and turns out that he lives about 15 minutes from my home. Ron offered to help with my first "Reloading Class" at the local college and has helped ever since. You may recall the product review on the Hornady Lock-N-Load Progressive that he wrote up for me in the July issue.

 

Ron is an excellent marksman with handgun and rifle and a heck of a gunsmith to boot.  To my knowledge, he is the one who discovered the problem with the Ruger 77/22 bolt. See Ruger Grouping article It seems to be quite a popular topic among those who own and shoot these rifles. If he can't make it shoot, it is not going to.

 

I hope to put a tap on the side of his head and share more of his knowledge with you in the future.

 

Bill Wade

                                                Savage 110

By Ron Roberts

 

Recently I bought a Savage 110 tactical in 308. I had read good things about this rifle and wanted one, no real need I just wanted one so when I found one at the gun show I picked it up.  I took it home and put a 4x16 power scope on it and gave it a thorough cleaning after which I lapped the bore and rifling with a mild abrasive. I do this to all new rifles to remove any burrs on the rifling left by the manufacture.

 

A friend of mine who works at the local gun shop and I headed for the range. Since I didn’t have any 308 ammo loaded we grabbed a box of Black Hills target ammo and headed off. After shooting half the box at the range I was not impressed with what had been touted as a Tactical rifle 2 inch groups at 100 yards was not going to cut it with me.

 

After getting home I put the rifle up, planning on looking in to the problem in a day or so. Well, you know how that goes. About a month later I got time enough to give it a good look. When I pulled the action out of the stock, I saw that the pillerblock was actually setting below the level of the fiberglass in the bottom of the stock by about 1/32. This gun was supposed to be pillerblock bedded, to me, this meant that the two pieces should be touching. After about 20 min. with a dremel tool all the pieces met like they were supposed to. While I was at it I cut out around the recoil lug and cut the barrel channel out a little deeper for a good free float. I adjusted the trigger to get a 1-½ lb. pull. I then used Micro Bed to bed around the recoil lug area to give it a good solid fit.

 

As usual the weather turned bad and it was another three weeks before I could get to the range to try out the gun and see if what I had done worked. When I finally got up there I had managed to make up a few hand loads to try out. The first three shots measured ¼ inch center to center the next shot was off ½ inch ( I could have pulled it) and the 5th shot went back into the first hole. With the sights set a 2” high at 100 yds. I put it back in the case and went home with it. It is good enough for hunting or anything else I need to do with it.

 

Maybe I got a bad stock from Savage, the other two 112s I have shoot great. Any time you do large production runs one or two bad ones will slip through. So if you get a gun that is supposed to shoot very well and it doesn’t, check the bedding on it. A good solid bed is the basis for good accuracy.

 

Ron Roberts.

 

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                                    Hoppe's Gunsmith's Benchvise

 

I had long needed a vise of some sort when I stumbled across this vise at a store that was going out of business.

 

The vise is a 4 piece package that includes 2 bases and 2 uprights. Pictures

 

The bases can be screwed to your bench top or a piece of wood clamped to the bench top.

 

One of the uprights is Y shaped and padded to hold the barrel and will even accommodate a bi-pod. It is adjustable in height to keep the muzzle at a downward slope, which keeps solvent from draining back into the action. The second upright, an overgrown clamp, is also padded and grips the stock firmly.

 

The uprights drop into the base and lock in place with a quarter turn clockwise.

 

I mounted my vise on my bench out at the front edge, and this works well for me.

With the uprights removed, the bases are only about a quarter inch high and do not get in the way.

 

When I go to the range, I remove the bases from the bench and screw them into the top tray of my range box. I suppose that screwed to a board, they could be clamped to the shooting bench or the tailgate of your pickup.

 

I need to break down and buy another set. My favorite part of them is storage. Twist the uprights out and toss them in a drawer, out of the way.

 

Until I have more storage space and money than I know what to do with, I will use this vise.

 

Bill Wade

 

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OTHER RESOURCES

Sinclair International http://www.sinclairintl.com/

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